I am wondering if one should not take into account the percent of the vaccinated population for every age group. If 90+ are 95% vaxxed, than you would want to compare 1/19 of the total counts for the vaxxed 90+ with the total count for unvaxxed. In that case the vaccines would be preventing all cause mortality, which does not make sense.
I calculated the risks of 3 doses of vaccines for the 80+ groups and the risk of vaccine induced death is 1/ 29.
I analyzed the 60+ based on the total Number in the population and the total vaccinated with 3 doses. I did not evaluate all cause mortality just C19 or non-C19 deaths.
See my note above. Raw total mortality might be reliable, but reports of total "vaxxed" cannot be sorted, and especially with the definitional legerdemain attending the numbers .
I am waiting for your president to redefine death, as in MontyPython's parrot- "He is merely resting..."
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Ok . With influenza we discovered that the so called studies were showing efficacy . But as they tried to mandate it we learned that despite the so called studies the use of the shots were not changing outcomes . Which helped the nurses win their legal case .
And on further examination a strong hypothesis has been put forward , that older people and those most susceptible to die were least likely to opt for the shot , because they were terminal and going to die anyway . While those that were with life and relative health viewed the shot to prevent ill health . Skewing the results toward efficacy. But in reality there was no difference in outcomes . Snd even where all staff were vaccinated it did not change outcomes .
So now when we view thii I s broad general comparison we have to consider the psychological factors in light of the influenza phenomena. But really , like influenza, it should be the opposite where more older and terminal people die that are unvaccinated because they don’t see the point . However, the shot pushers will use this same argument despite it being inverted .
The next point , is that there is another phenomenon that is called “ the g HD arrest effect “. The lancet wrote about this in a study of all death mortality of Italy in the summer of 2020. Basically , when a lethal infection pathogen comes through a population it hits the most vulnerable and takes them out . It is then followed by a period negative excess deaths , because the vulnerable population has already succumbed. This is most notable in the influenza of 2018. So because of this , we would expect 2021 to have negative expected deaths , not more .
At the end of the day over the injection period more jabbed died then unjabbed.
This data comes from Table 3 in the July 6 2022 ONS report. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsinvolvingcovid19byvaccinationstatusengland/deathsoccurringbetween1january2021and31may2022
I am wondering if one should not take into account the percent of the vaccinated population for every age group. If 90+ are 95% vaxxed, than you would want to compare 1/19 of the total counts for the vaxxed 90+ with the total count for unvaxxed. In that case the vaccines would be preventing all cause mortality, which does not make sense.
I calculated the risks of 3 doses of vaccines for the 80+ groups and the risk of vaccine induced death is 1/ 29.
I analyzed the 60+ based on the total Number in the population and the total vaccinated with 3 doses. I did not evaluate all cause mortality just C19 or non-C19 deaths.
Reposted:
https://2ndsmartestguyintheworld.substack.com/p/raw-death-counts-england-january
where are the raw death counts? Link please?
See my note above. Raw total mortality might be reliable, but reports of total "vaxxed" cannot be sorted, and especially with the definitional legerdemain attending the numbers .
I am waiting for your president to redefine death, as in MontyPython's parrot- "He is merely resting..."
Previous comment expunged after incorrect button pressed- Darn!
Ok . With influenza we discovered that the so called studies were showing efficacy . But as they tried to mandate it we learned that despite the so called studies the use of the shots were not changing outcomes . Which helped the nurses win their legal case .
And on further examination a strong hypothesis has been put forward , that older people and those most susceptible to die were least likely to opt for the shot , because they were terminal and going to die anyway . While those that were with life and relative health viewed the shot to prevent ill health . Skewing the results toward efficacy. But in reality there was no difference in outcomes . Snd even where all staff were vaccinated it did not change outcomes .
So now when we view thii I s broad general comparison we have to consider the psychological factors in light of the influenza phenomena. But really , like influenza, it should be the opposite where more older and terminal people die that are unvaccinated because they don’t see the point . However, the shot pushers will use this same argument despite it being inverted .
The next point , is that there is another phenomenon that is called “ the g HD arrest effect “. The lancet wrote about this in a study of all death mortality of Italy in the summer of 2020. Basically , when a lethal infection pathogen comes through a population it hits the most vulnerable and takes them out . It is then followed by a period negative excess deaths , because the vulnerable population has already succumbed. This is most notable in the influenza of 2018. So because of this , we would expect 2021 to have negative expected deaths , not more .
At the end of the day over the injection period more jabbed died then unjabbed.